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	<title>Comments on: The Business of Editing: Pricing Yourself Out of the Market When Applying for Work</title>
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		<title>By: Juliette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juliette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there can be many models that are &#039;right&#039; for many situations. However, I think the role of the solo editor is only as limited as the editor&#039;s niche skills and marketing ability. My clients keep coming back because they like the quality of my work and they trust my ability to understand their German way of warping English. Establishing a small, physical presence in the local university further developed my client base and heightened my value. 

Running your own show can mean surviving the fast or famine cycle, sure, but I think solo editors need to challenge themselves to think about what kind of &#039;famine&#039; they&#039;re willing to put up with. Working with a middleman is doing the same work for less, which may be fine for some people. I feel working for a middleman devalues my work, so I created new ways of marketing my skills to earn as much (or sometimes less) than my regular editing projects. I do a better job on the job when I get paid &#039;my rate&#039;, whether it&#039;s editing or instructing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there can be many models that are &#8216;right&#8217; for many situations. However, I think the role of the solo editor is only as limited as the editor&#8217;s niche skills and marketing ability. My clients keep coming back because they like the quality of my work and they trust my ability to understand their German way of warping English. Establishing a small, physical presence in the local university further developed my client base and heightened my value. </p>
<p>Running your own show can mean surviving the fast or famine cycle, sure, but I think solo editors need to challenge themselves to think about what kind of &#8216;famine&#8217; they&#8217;re willing to put up with. Working with a middleman is doing the same work for less, which may be fine for some people. I feel working for a middleman devalues my work, so I created new ways of marketing my skills to earn as much (or sometimes less) than my regular editing projects. I do a better job on the job when I get paid &#8216;my rate&#8217;, whether it&#8217;s editing or instructing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth E. Thaler-Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth E. Thaler-Carter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to find clients paying $25/page for editing, but I doubt they exist. I do a lot of work for a law firm and for a PR firm whose only clients are lawyers, and even they don&#039;t pay that much (although they do pay well). 

I&#039;ve often thought it would be nice to have a middleman or agent of my own. If someone were finding projects for me, I&#039;d be glad to hand over a percentage of the income from those jobs (or charge less, on the assumption that my fee is part of the agent/middleman&#039;s). 

I rarely disagree with Rich, but I think there is still a role for the solo editor, and that there always will be. Some of my editing and proofreading clients don&#039;t want to deal with a group and some only want to deal with me - not just me as a sole proprietor but me as myself. Some use more than one proofreader or editor and might be amenable to those folks working as a group, because what those clients want is assurance that someone is available to handle their work as it arrives and that the work is done well, regardless of who does the work. Individual authors also are a market for solo editors and proofreaders, assuming one can find those who value having a professional handle the messes they create :) - which some of our colleagues succeed at doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to find clients paying $25/page for editing, but I doubt they exist. I do a lot of work for a law firm and for a PR firm whose only clients are lawyers, and even they don&#8217;t pay that much (although they do pay well). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought it would be nice to have a middleman or agent of my own. If someone were finding projects for me, I&#8217;d be glad to hand over a percentage of the income from those jobs (or charge less, on the assumption that my fee is part of the agent/middleman&#8217;s). </p>
<p>I rarely disagree with Rich, but I think there is still a role for the solo editor, and that there always will be. Some of my editing and proofreading clients don&#8217;t want to deal with a group and some only want to deal with me &#8211; not just me as a sole proprietor but me as myself. Some use more than one proofreader or editor and might be amenable to those folks working as a group, because what those clients want is assurance that someone is available to handle their work as it arrives and that the work is done well, regardless of who does the work. Individual authors also are a market for solo editors and proofreaders, assuming one can find those who value having a professional handle the messes they create <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; which some of our colleagues succeed at doing.</p>
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		<title>By: americaneditor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[americaneditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unlike Katharine, I rapidly moved away from working directly with authors and focused on working with publishers and packagers. Although they pay less, I have found ways to increase both productivity and efficiency so that my Effective Hourly Rate is competitive with that of editors who work directly with authors. The beauty of editing is that there is room for multiple models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Katharine, I rapidly moved away from working directly with authors and focused on working with publishers and packagers. Although they pay less, I have found ways to increase both productivity and efficiency so that my Effective Hourly Rate is competitive with that of editors who work directly with authors. The beauty of editing is that there is room for multiple models.</p>
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		<title>By: americaneditor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[americaneditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not found that quality suffers even a smidgen, at least not with those editors who do work for me. In exchange for receiving a lower rate from me than they could get directly from a client, I provide year-round work, pay promptly, do all the promotion to get the work, and act as a buffer. For some people, that is a fair trade; for others, it is not. But for the latter group, it is unlikely that they would be willing to work for someone else. Everything is a balance. For example, why would I pay an editor who did work for me upon receipt of the editor&#039;s invoice if I had to pay the editor at the same rate I was being paid? Instead, I would want 30 days from the date I got paid and if I never got paid, neither would the editor.

Although this is a sore point with many editors, I have said it before and I&#039;ll repeat it here: I think the days of the solo editor are limited. There will always be the solo editor just as there continue to be sole practitioner lawyers and doctors, but the trend for lawyers and doctors is group practice and I think that trend will be true in the near future for editors, too. There are advantages and disadvantages, but one of the disadvantages to any group practice is that each member of the group has to share the proceeds, which usually means getting less than the gross amount received.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not found that quality suffers even a smidgen, at least not with those editors who do work for me. In exchange for receiving a lower rate from me than they could get directly from a client, I provide year-round work, pay promptly, do all the promotion to get the work, and act as a buffer. For some people, that is a fair trade; for others, it is not. But for the latter group, it is unlikely that they would be willing to work for someone else. Everything is a balance. For example, why would I pay an editor who did work for me upon receipt of the editor&#8217;s invoice if I had to pay the editor at the same rate I was being paid? Instead, I would want 30 days from the date I got paid and if I never got paid, neither would the editor.</p>
<p>Although this is a sore point with many editors, I have said it before and I&#8217;ll repeat it here: I think the days of the solo editor are limited. There will always be the solo editor just as there continue to be sole practitioner lawyers and doctors, but the trend for lawyers and doctors is group practice and I think that trend will be true in the near future for editors, too. There are advantages and disadvantages, but one of the disadvantages to any group practice is that each member of the group has to share the proceeds, which usually means getting less than the gross amount received.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine O'Moore-Klopf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katharine O'Moore-Klopf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like both Richard and the Book Doctor, I am quite experienced. But like Richard, I work mostly on medical subject matters. For the most part, I&#039;ve moved to the Book Doctor&#039;s model, working directly with authors; I also work with organizations and individuals that write or produce materials for continuing medical education. I don&#039;t work with very many book publishers anymore because most of them want to pay lower rates than I want to earn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like both Richard and the Book Doctor, I am quite experienced. But like Richard, I work mostly on medical subject matters. For the most part, I&#8217;ve moved to the Book Doctor&#8217;s model, working directly with authors; I also work with organizations and individuals that write or produce materials for continuing medical education. I don&#8217;t work with very many book publishers anymore because most of them want to pay lower rates than I want to earn.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin C Brenner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin C Brenner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wondered as well if some editors were stating $25 a page when they meant $25 an hour. One would hope that an editor would be more careful, especially in a cover letter or pitch letter, but we&#039;re all still human.

What is a reasonable rate for an editor who works for another editor? I suspect less than if that editor works directly with the client, because, yes, the middleman does deserve to get paid. It also seems that if the rate is less, than the quality of the editor is going to be less as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered as well if some editors were stating $25 a page when they meant $25 an hour. One would hope that an editor would be more careful, especially in a cover letter or pitch letter, but we&#8217;re all still human.</p>
<p>What is a reasonable rate for an editor who works for another editor? I suspect less than if that editor works directly with the client, because, yes, the middleman does deserve to get paid. It also seems that if the rate is less, than the quality of the editor is going to be less as well.</p>
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		<title>By: The Book Doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Book Doctor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My choice is to work directly for authors who recognize the value added by good editing and who will pay well for it. I quit working for book publishers long ago--they are still paying rates similar to what I paid 25 years ago when I was editorial manager for a large international publisher. A few journals pay my fee cheerfully (I have saved them from costly and embarrassing errors). 

I&#039;ve never worked for a middleman, although I can see how some editors might like that arrangement. Because my clients all come through referral from enthusiastic customers, I don&#039;t have to spend time marketing. But it has taken many years to reach that level of expertise, so maybe my road is unrealistic for young aspiring editors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My choice is to work directly for authors who recognize the value added by good editing and who will pay well for it. I quit working for book publishers long ago&#8211;they are still paying rates similar to what I paid 25 years ago when I was editorial manager for a large international publisher. A few journals pay my fee cheerfully (I have saved them from costly and embarrassing errors). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never worked for a middleman, although I can see how some editors might like that arrangement. Because my clients all come through referral from enthusiastic customers, I don&#8217;t have to spend time marketing. But it has taken many years to reach that level of expertise, so maybe my road is unrealistic for young aspiring editors.</p>
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		<title>By: americaneditor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[americaneditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t remember the last time I received a page with 250 words on it. But it doesn&#039;t matter. You do a word count in Microsoft Word (a great macro for doing the count is &lt;em&gt;Word Counter&lt;/em&gt;, available from The Editorium [www.editorium.com]) and divide the word count result by 250 to get the page count. I will add that the formula of 1 page = 250 words is just one of many formulas that are used. The important thing is to be in agreement with the client as to what constitutes a page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember the last time I received a page with 250 words on it. But it doesn&#8217;t matter. You do a word count in Microsoft Word (a great macro for doing the count is <em>Word Counter</em>, available from The Editorium [www.editorium.com]) and divide the word count result by 250 to get the page count. I will add that the formula of 1 page = 250 words is just one of many formulas that are used. The important thing is to be in agreement with the client as to what constitutes a page.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reply. I agree on the page issue. It is actually rare that I receive a paper with approximately 250 words per page. Definitely another pricing issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply. I agree on the page issue. It is actually rare that I receive a paper with approximately 250 words per page. Definitely another pricing issue.</p>
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		<title>By: americaneditor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[americaneditor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the answer to your question depends on the client. I suspect that some clients expect one pass and others two passes. There is also a wide discrepancy about what constitutes a page, although the &quot;standard&quot; is 250 words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer to your question depends on the client. I suspect that some clients expect one pass and others two passes. There is also a wide discrepancy about what constitutes a page, although the &#8220;standard&#8221; is 250 words.</p>
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