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	<title>Comments on: The Business of Editing: Are Editors to LinkedIn Like Oil is to Water?</title>
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		<title>By: Dorothy E</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am actually quite surprised at the snobbery here.  The public LinkedIn groups are not meant to be moderated, nor are they exclusively for experts.  The Grammar Geeks group is a place where there is a mix of very knowledgeable people and others who are trying to learn more about grammar to become better writers  and communicators.  In addition, some of the discussions are peppered with dry humor which makes them a lot of fun to participate in. (I know - I just ended a sentence with a preposition.)

The idea that those of us who are not as experienced, educated or knowledgeable as professionals are not your equals is offensive in the extreme.  I feel quite certain that there are plenty of us with expertise in areas where you are neophytes or completely uneducated.  And so what if someone who is a non-native speaker of English who thinks that he or she is correct about a point of grammar.  Does it really impact you so deeply that you feel the need to condescend as you do?  Many of the people in that group are there to learn and are not interested in becoming freelance professionals, editors, proofreaders or professional writers.  I am a professional musician, among other things.  I could probably play rings around you, and yet I would never be condescending or rude to another who is not a professional.  Nor would I regard someone as being beneath me (as in not my equal) because he or she was an amateur, or made some uninformed comments about Baroque music.

But the pièce de résistance in the above submittal is the comment: &quot;And — perhaps even more importantly — why should those of us who are in publishing care what someone like that thinks or says?&quot;  And how many of you on this forum agree with Ruth.  How sad.  Out come the claws!  Why should I, up on my pedestal, pay attention to the little people?  

You greatly overestimate your importance in the scheme of things.  All of you who feel that way.... (yes, it&#039;s a fragment.)  There is enough real cruelty and barbarism in the world to obviate the need for such petty grievances.  If this is what represents professionalism in the world of editing, writing and proofreading, then it is a world without kindness, and I am glad that I am someone who is just seeking a better understanding and grasp of grammar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually quite surprised at the snobbery here.  The public LinkedIn groups are not meant to be moderated, nor are they exclusively for experts.  The Grammar Geeks group is a place where there is a mix of very knowledgeable people and others who are trying to learn more about grammar to become better writers  and communicators.  In addition, some of the discussions are peppered with dry humor which makes them a lot of fun to participate in. (I know &#8211; I just ended a sentence with a preposition.)</p>
<p>The idea that those of us who are not as experienced, educated or knowledgeable as professionals are not your equals is offensive in the extreme.  I feel quite certain that there are plenty of us with expertise in areas where you are neophytes or completely uneducated.  And so what if someone who is a non-native speaker of English who thinks that he or she is correct about a point of grammar.  Does it really impact you so deeply that you feel the need to condescend as you do?  Many of the people in that group are there to learn and are not interested in becoming freelance professionals, editors, proofreaders or professional writers.  I am a professional musician, among other things.  I could probably play rings around you, and yet I would never be condescending or rude to another who is not a professional.  Nor would I regard someone as being beneath me (as in not my equal) because he or she was an amateur, or made some uninformed comments about Baroque music.</p>
<p>But the pièce de résistance in the above submittal is the comment: &#8220;And — perhaps even more importantly — why should those of us who are in publishing care what someone like that thinks or says?&#8221;  And how many of you on this forum agree with Ruth.  How sad.  Out come the claws!  Why should I, up on my pedestal, pay attention to the little people?  </p>
<p>You greatly overestimate your importance in the scheme of things.  All of you who feel that way&#8230;. (yes, it&#8217;s a fragment.)  There is enough real cruelty and barbarism in the world to obviate the need for such petty grievances.  If this is what represents professionalism in the world of editing, writing and proofreading, then it is a world without kindness, and I am glad that I am someone who is just seeking a better understanding and grasp of grammar.</p>
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		<title>By: cmbg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please capitalize the &quot;Is&quot; in the title. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please capitalize the &#8220;Is&#8221; in the title. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful article, Ruthie.

I specially like the bit where &quot;So many of the people in these groups aren’t at a level of expertise, experience, skill, or professionalism for me to consider them as equals,&quot;

How clever of you to instinctively recognise an equal!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article, Ruthie.</p>
<p>I specially like the bit where &#8220;So many of the people in these groups aren’t at a level of expertise, experience, skill, or professionalism for me to consider them as equals,&#8221;</p>
<p>How clever of you to instinctively recognise an equal!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Villines</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Villines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An article that reflects my practice and findings so, of course I think it is excellent! One of the first things i do when I&#039;m exploring a new topic is subscribe to a bunch of lists. Most will be dead and some not worth time, but the others will be a direct link to experts and current activity. Contacts and information.

Regarding the LinkedIn list, a list without a moderator is like a magazine without an editor— you just print the first 15 articles that come in. A newsroom doesn&#039;t turn over the computer terminals to anyone who walks in, and then leave them sitting there, live, beyond the first unhelpful message. Where is the editor?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article that reflects my practice and findings so, of course I think it is excellent! One of the first things i do when I&#8217;m exploring a new topic is subscribe to a bunch of lists. Most will be dead and some not worth time, but the others will be a direct link to experts and current activity. Contacts and information.</p>
<p>Regarding the LinkedIn list, a list without a moderator is like a magazine without an editor— you just print the first 15 articles that come in. A newsroom doesn&#8217;t turn over the computer terminals to anyone who walks in, and then leave them sitting there, live, beyond the first unhelpful message. Where is the editor?</p>
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		<title>By: The Book Doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Book Doctor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruth is one of the Web&#039;s best advertisements for helpful contributions. Many of us, however, see few benefits from participating in LinkedIn harangues, which often descend into trivia and irrelevance. I tried a few times to inject a bit of reason into some discussions, but it was attacked or ignored, so I stopped. The e-lists Ruth mentioned are valuable and fun. The kind of people who hijack LinkedIn threads seem to self-select out of the professional lists.

I find Facebook even more of a time-waster; I look at it once every few weeks, only if I get a notification that one of the grandchildren has posted new photos. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth is one of the Web&#8217;s best advertisements for helpful contributions. Many of us, however, see few benefits from participating in LinkedIn harangues, which often descend into trivia and irrelevance. I tried a few times to inject a bit of reason into some discussions, but it was attacked or ignored, so I stopped. The e-lists Ruth mentioned are valuable and fun. The kind of people who hijack LinkedIn threads seem to self-select out of the professional lists.</p>
<p>I find Facebook even more of a time-waster; I look at it once every few weeks, only if I get a notification that one of the grandchildren has posted new photos. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marge MacKinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marge MacKinnon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article, Ruth, as excellent as your grammar posts. I agree with your comments about LinkedIn, particularly about the loudly voiced insistence that incorrect information is correct, because &quot;that&#039;s what I learned in 4th grade&quot; or &quot;because it sounds right to me.&quot; However, I&#039;m constantly amazed at the different, but legitimate, interpretations of some grammar rules. Many of the rules are really not inscribed in stone, or at least they seem to have been inscribed differently on different stones. I know I&#039;ve changed some of my editing because of a well-presented argument in favor of a different rule. Reading the different posts keeps me flexible. Now if I could only get up the nerve to post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Ruth, as excellent as your grammar posts. I agree with your comments about LinkedIn, particularly about the loudly voiced insistence that incorrect information is correct, because &#8220;that&#8217;s what I learned in 4th grade&#8221; or &#8220;because it sounds right to me.&#8221; However, I&#8217;m constantly amazed at the different, but legitimate, interpretations of some grammar rules. Many of the rules are really not inscribed in stone, or at least they seem to have been inscribed differently on different stones. I know I&#8217;ve changed some of my editing because of a well-presented argument in favor of a different rule. Reading the different posts keeps me flexible. Now if I could only get up the nerve to post.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Harnby &#124; Proofreader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louise Harnby &#124; Proofreader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for writing this article, Ruth. I agree with you that LinkedIn is a valuable resource (especially your point about visibility) and that it needs to be approached with a different attitude to one&#039;s society membership discussion lists and email inbox, for example. Remembering where priorities lie is important and is something that can be a struggle when we start out using social media. I particularly liked your advice about using the digest function and setting aside particular times of the day to look at these (I&#039;m now off to change my own LinkedIn settings in accordance with this!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this article, Ruth. I agree with you that LinkedIn is a valuable resource (especially your point about visibility) and that it needs to be approached with a different attitude to one&#8217;s society membership discussion lists and email inbox, for example. Remembering where priorities lie is important and is something that can be a struggle when we start out using social media. I particularly liked your advice about using the digest function and setting aside particular times of the day to look at these (I&#8217;m now off to change my own LinkedIn settings in accordance with this!).</p>
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